Comments on: Fresh Perspectives on the Semantic Enterprise http://www.mkbergman.com/825/fresh-perspectives-on-the-semantic-enterprise/ Mike Bergman on the semantic Web and structured Web Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:03:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: When Linked Data Rules Fail at Frederick Giasson’s Weblog http://www.mkbergman.com/825/fresh-perspectives-on-the-semantic-enterprise/comment-page-1/#comment-52746 When Linked Data Rules Fail at Frederick Giasson’s Weblog Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:11:33 +0000 http://www.mkbergman.com/?p=825#comment-52746 [...] [...] [...] [...]

]]> By: Paola Di Maio http://www.mkbergman.com/825/fresh-perspectives-on-the-semantic-enterprise/comment-page-1/#comment-52385 Paola Di Maio Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:42:12 +0000 http://www.mkbergman.com/?p=825#comment-52385 RE. Rethinking Everything Actually, and additional point, to clarify further that I feel you mischarachterize in your review (spotty review, on this occasion Michael?) In reference to my article 'rethinking everything' the sentence means it needs a shift of mindsent, such as for example: from closed world, to open world, and sometimes the realisation that organisations will have to live with a mixture of the two. I am under the impression based on your reading that on this particular point, either we come from different worlds, or we speak different languages (or both) and thank you for the opportunity to clarify... RE. Rethinking Everything

Actually, and additional point, to clarify further that I feel you mischarachterize in your review (spotty review, on this occasion Michael?) In reference to my article ‘rethinking everything’ the sentence means it needs a shift of mindsent, such as for example: from closed world, to open world, and sometimes the realisation that organisations will have to live with a mixture of the two. I am under the impression based on your reading that on this particular point, either we come from different worlds, or we speak different languages (or both) and thank you for the opportunity to clarify…

]]> By: Paola Di Maio http://www.mkbergman.com/825/fresh-perspectives-on-the-semantic-enterprise/comment-page-1/#comment-52384 Paola Di Maio Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:13:48 +0000 http://www.mkbergman.com/?p=825#comment-52384 Hi Mike, thanks for the review, and I am sorry that my article does not fall in your list of 'useful' ones . I too had reservations in doing the article, but as it was an invited piece, and picked on a few themes I had written about in an earlier brief called 'Toward the semantic Enteprise', (2007) I took the chance to make a few additional points, that may be not useful to you, since you seem to have it all worked out, but may be useful for the many out there who are still trying to get their heads around the semantic web isse for their organisations. In your post you seem very careful to avoid mentioning my article, but seem happy to 'comment' all the key points I make (without referencing them) 1) I speak to scores of semantic webbers all over the world, who cannot define the meaning of semantics, nor tell me their businss benefits, therefore the suggestion to have a definion readily at hand, whatever you intend it to be 2) you mention that vocabularies, for example, are good practice, as if it was a redudant point. I am not sure where you come from, but where I come from (small and medium enterprises worldwide for example) dont seem to have adopted them, there is a lot of work to be done to put that message across 2) open world and closed world assumptions may not have to be declared as you say, but at strategic level it is necessary to make certain decisions, and there is a lot of work to be done there as well. there is no semantic enteprise, unless there is awareness of what that means at operational level. Unfortunately, at the moment much of the semantic web is about logic, representation and syntax. So Mike, thanks a lot for your review, I too think that your post while making some useful arguments misses some rather key points of what the whole issue is about: discussing issues the semantic enteprise (which is well beyond RDF) to CIOs and people who are still not enjoying the wonders of it. And yes, I do think that semantic web standards is only one of the steps to achieving the semantic enterprise, in case that point had not come across either! Thanks for leaving the comments on :-) Hi Mike, thanks for the review, and I am sorry that my article does not fall in your list of ‘useful’ ones . I too had reservations in doing the article, but as it was an invited piece, and picked on a few themes I had written about in an earlier brief called ‘Toward the semantic Enteprise’, (2007) I took the chance to make a few additional points, that may be not useful to you, since you seem to have it all worked out, but may be useful for the many out there who are still trying to get their heads around the semantic web isse for their organisations. In your post you seem very careful to avoid mentioning my article, but seem happy to ‘comment’ all the key points I make (without referencing them)
1) I speak to scores of semantic webbers all over the world, who cannot define the meaning of semantics, nor tell me their businss benefits, therefore the suggestion to have a definion readily at hand, whatever you intend it to be
2) you mention that vocabularies, for example, are good practice, as if it was a redudant point. I am not sure where you come from, but where I come from (small and medium enterprises worldwide for example) dont seem to have adopted them, there is a lot of work to be done to put that message across
2) open world and closed world assumptions may not have to be declared as you say, but at strategic level
it is necessary to make certain decisions, and there is a lot of work to be done there as well. there is no semantic enteprise, unless there is awareness of what that means at operational level. Unfortunately, at the moment much of the semantic web is about logic, representation and syntax.
So Mike, thanks a lot for your review, I too think that your post while making some useful arguments misses some rather key points of what the whole issue is about: discussing issues the semantic enteprise (which is well beyond RDF) to CIOs and people who are still not enjoying the wonders of it. And yes, I do think that
semantic web standards is only one of the steps to achieving the semantic enterprise, in case that point had not come across either! Thanks for leaving the comments on :-)

]]> By: Steve Ardire http://www.mkbergman.com/825/fresh-perspectives-on-the-semantic-enterprise/comment-page-1/#comment-52315 Steve Ardire Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:12:54 +0000 http://www.mkbergman.com/?p=825#comment-52315 Excellent post and will leverage accordingly ;) Excellent post and will leverage accordingly ;)

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